More Vaccinated People Are Dying of COVID in England Than Unvaccinated – Here’s Why

COVID Vaccine Success

More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England (PHE). The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine. At first glance, this may seem alarming, but it is exactly as would be expected.

Here’s a simple thought experiment: imagine everyone is now fully vaccinated with COVID vaccines – which are excellent but can’t save all lives. Some people who get infected with COVID will still die. All of these people will be fully vaccinated – 100%. That doesn’t mean vaccines aren’t effective at reducing death.

The risk of dying from COVID doubles roughly every seven years older a patient is. The 35-year difference between a 35-year-old and a 70-year-old means the risk of death between the two patients has doubled five times – equivalently it has increased by a factor of 32. An unvaccinated 70-year-old might be 32 times more likely to die of COVID than an unvaccinated 35-year-old. This dramatic variation of the risk profile with age means that even excellent vaccines don’t reduce the risk of death for older people to below the risk for some younger demographics.

PHE data suggests that being double vaccinated reduces the risk of being hospitalized with the now-dominant delta variant by around 96%. Even conservatively assuming the vaccines are no more effective at preventing death than hospitalization (actually they are likely to be more effective at preventing death) this means the risk of death for double vaccinated people has been cut to less than one-twentieth of the value for unvaccinated people with the same underlying risk profile.

COVID Teen Selfie

COVID infections are currently highest in young people.

However, the 20-fold decrease in risk afforded by the vaccine isn’t enough to offset the 32-fold increase in underlying risk of death of an 70-year-old over a 35-year-old. Given the same risk of infection, we would still expect to see more double-vaccinated 70-year-olds die from COVID than unvaccinated 35-year-olds. There are caveats to that simple calculation. The risk of infection is not the same for all age groups. Currently, infections are highest in the youngest and lower in older age groups.

Think of it as ball-bearing rain

One way to imagine the risk is as a rain of differently sized ball bearings falling from the sky, where the ball bearings are the people that get infected with COVID. For simplicity’s sake, let’s assume there are roughly equal numbers of ball bearings in each age group. In each age category, there is also a variation in the size of the balls. The balls representing the older groups are smaller, representing a higher risk of death.

Now imagine there’s a sieve that catches many of the balls. Most people who get COVID will not die (most balls get caught in the sieve). But some of the smaller balls fall through. The older you are, the more likely you are to fall through the holes. The balls that make it through the first sieve are hugely skewed towards older age ranges, represented by the smaller ball bearings. Before COVID vaccines came along, the people that fell through the holes represented the people who would die of COVID. The risk was massively skewed towards older people.

Vaccination provides a second sieve underneath the first, to prevent people from dying. This time, because we haven’t vaccinated everyone, it’s the holes in the sieve that are of different sizes. For older people who’ve had both doses, the holes are smaller, so many ball-bearings are stopped. The vaccines will save many of those who would previously have died.

For younger people the holes in the vaccine sieve are currently bigger as they are less likely to have received both doses and so more likely to fall through the sieve.

If all the filtering were just done by the second sieve (with no skew in risk of death by age, represented by the first sieve), then we might expect younger unvaccinated people to account for a larger proportion of the deaths. But it isn’t. The first sieve is so hugely biased towards older people that even with vaccination, more of them slip through the second sieve than the younger unvaccinated people. Given the UK’s vaccination strategy (vaccinate older, more vulnerable people first), you would expect high proportions of the people who die from COVID to have been vaccinated. And that is exactly what we see in the data.

The fact that more vaccinated people are dying than unvaccinated people does nothing to undermine vaccine safety or effectiveness. In fact, it’s exactly what we’d expect from the excellent vaccines, which have already saved tens of thousands of lives.

Written by Christian Yates, Senior Lecturer in Mathematical Biology, University of Bath.

Originally published on The Conversation.The Conversation

99 Comments on "More Vaccinated People Are Dying of COVID in England Than Unvaccinated – Here’s Why"

  1. BALL BEARINGS… REAL Science this AIN’T.
    I QUOTE:
    “More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people…”

    ENOUGH SAID but DRIVEL-ON:
    I QUOTE: “At first glance, this may seem alarming, but it is exactly as would be expected.”

    What follows on the heels of this REVELATION is STATISTICAL MUMBO-JUMBO. People are A LOT like BALL BEARINGS!?
    🐘
    I SMELL an ELEPHANT in the room. It doesn’t require ONE or even TWELVE BLINDED VIZIERS; like this ILLOGICAL bombast🐧; to characterise what we SMELL, SEE and HEAR as A VERY LARGE MOUSE, with floppy ears, a trunk and a PENCHANT for SQUASHING BALL BEARINGS. Which is to say (The nefarious WITS END):
    PEOPLE. Smelly OLD PEOPLE; Sweet and innocent YOUNGER PEOPLE…

    HYPE. In the SERVICES one used to call this brand of HOOPTIE-DO “Shitting the Troops”.

    It is UNIFORM. I’ll give it that much:18 months-worth of MANDATED Confinement, foisted upon WE THE PEEPS by unqualified (as in:ELECTED) self-appointed COMMAND… filtering DOWN like a “RAIN OF BALL BEARINGS”. SIEVE is the WORD-UP; as in: MIND like a SIEVE. 🤯
    😵
    But now it’s OVER. And with its END, the CHAIN OF COMMAND DISSIPATES, like a fart on a freshening breeze…

    But… It ain’t OVER until it’s over… Not before the FAT LADY SINGS: An ARIA of deception.
    😑
    WELCOME TO THE THEATRE OF THE REAL.
    🦋

    • Clyde Spencer | July 15, 2021 at 8:41 am | Reply

      It is obvious that you don’t like the analogy intended for laymen like yourself. However, that doesn’t mean that the claim is wrong.

      Can you make a case that the calculations are wrong, or that the logic behind the thinking is flawed?

      • For your argument to be valid there would need to be twice (roughly) as many vaccinated people in the population than unvaccinated. That may be the case in England but you didn’t cite it either.

        • Exactly. Knowing the base rate (% vax, % unvax) is key. Also, understanding whether these groups are comparable is key (age, morbidities, etc.). How you can write this article without trying to make sense of these two Qs is beyond me. I also thought the ballbearing rain didn’t work as a simplification strategy.

      • Also, compare this to the typical US news story where they claim 20-35x or so lower probability of dying of covid if you are vaccinated. The numbers are inconsistent and the story keeps changing. This makes it hard to believe the “newest scientific” arguments. In a week or two the story will change, the numbers will be selected in a different way, and all will be inconsistent with what we hear today. Maybe that is why CDC is afraid to publish more statistics.

    • Take your meds

    • Calm down. And try not to be so needlessly wordy. It doesn’t make you sound any smarter, but rather the opposite.

  2. John Andrew Kociuba | July 15, 2021 at 10:18 am | Reply

    Sars-Cov2 has a 99.9998% to 99.9997% survival ratio absent hospitalization and prescription antibiotics. Delta variation are same.

    YOU NEVER NEEDED THIS VACCINE ONLY PROPER DIETS AND NUTRITION!

    Furthermore this hypothesis or future infection is as bad as the lies within the piece. Herd immunity is 67% of a population and this virus has circulated for 18 months. Yes. Calculate the human to human daily transmittance and X that daily for 18 months. “Pre-Exposure” and herd immunity are already consummated.

    Respectfully,
    🔺️

    • Don't make stuff up | July 16, 2021 at 9:17 am | Reply

      This is not remotely true. There is a 2-4% risk of death with Covid. That number has fluctuated with time and region but has not fluctuated outside this range. 99.9998 is compared to the entire population of the country. If you had cancer and died, you would be compared to other people with the same cancer, not against everyone in the world. So if a cancer has a 10% mortality it is against other cases of the same cancer.

      • You just made that up LOL! 2-4%? You are high off your rocker. Case mortality rate is 0.15%, meaning you survive 99.85%. And guess what? This is the ENTIRE population. This isn’t controlling for age, health, etc.. 70% of hospitalizations of COVID are for Obese people. Older folks or pre-conditions account for the rest.

        For someone under 40, with a good diet? Basically 0% chance they die.

      • 2-4% death rates? This is nonsense. CDC estimates 28% of the population in US had Covid. 2% death rate would thus mean we have 1.85 million deaths, which we certainly don’t. 28% is also probably an underestimate, because many cases are asymptomatic and there are practically no sampled tests available that would provide better estimates. The numbers presented by media most of the time make no sense at all and they often contradict themselves. Not so hard to notice inconsistencies.

    • Sadly, there were some who felt the same as you about Covid, but realized only on their deathbeds that they were mistaken. 🙁

      I agree that eating well certainly benefits the immune system. But don’t forget that an organic diet and vigorous daily exercise didn’t help the native peoples of North America much when they met with diseases previously unknown to them.

      • talking to you about facts is a waste of time. you will only see and believe what you want to see and believe, or rather, what you are told to see and believe. good luck to you with that.

    • I have to agree with you. The CDC published its March 2020 to March 2021 Covid mortality rate and those numbers agree with you too. The number one group of people in the US who died of Covid were the obese, and there is a LOT of scientific evidence to support this, and why they are such a vulnerable group. Suffice it to say that the science is pointing toward the obese having a much reduced immune system.

      The number 2 group of people who died of Covid during that same period (and this surprised me the most) was listed as those with severe anxiety. This one surprised me because it pretty well demonstrates quite clearly what stress and cortisol does to one’s immune system too. However, the cure for this is also quite simple…either stop watching TV and stop buying into the government’s (and big pharma’s) narrative…or pressure the governments to have the media just stop spewing all of that gobbledygook about Covid on the TV 24/7.

      If we could get the obese to eat better and start exercising, and stop the media from broadcasting to much misinformation about Covid, the so-called mortality due to Covid in the US could have been reduced by at least 600,000 people.

      Vaccines certainly are not the answer either because they really don’t work. Respiratory vaccines have never worked…because the mutation rate for these viruses are so rapid; hence, by the time one is vaccinated they are only protected against a virus that barely even exists anymore. If respiratory vaccines worked like big pharma pretends that they do we would have eradicated both influenza and the common cold decades ago.

  3. The Conversation is a FAKE NEWS source! Why am I seeing FAKE NEWS in SciTechDaily ?????

  4. Urbeing Lieghdtough | July 15, 2021 at 10:38 am | Reply

    Getting pretty tough to keep the narrative going, huh?

  5. Try the UKColumn.org to get the mainstream narrative torn to bits and see the yellowcard stats in a format that makes sense. what is going on has a name… DEMOCIDE

  6. Sadly some people don’t understand this simple phenomenon, nor many of those people will understand it because this information will not get to them or they won’t trust anyone else but those who confirm their bias, this is true on both sides of the spectrum, “believers” and “deniers”. The propaganda machine brainwashes both ways.

    Apart from that, I have to point out that the article does an ok job at explaining the concept but wrongly portrays it as something good.
    “The fact that more vaccinated people are dying than unvaccinated people does nothing to undermine vaccine safety or effectiveness. In fact, it’s exactly what we’d expect from the excellent vaccines, which have already saved tens of thousands of lives.”
    This fenomenon is simply what is expected in any kind vaccine, assuming it isn’t extremely deadly of course, it has nothing to do with “this excellent vaccines” which in reality are arguably much less excellent most vaccines. This is not evidence that vaccines are safe, in order to say that you need to compare death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated and not in absolute numbers.
    I highlighted this paragraph but the whole article has this “vaccines are safe and effective” biased tone. If this kind of articles are intended to reach and inform “deniers” they won’t succeed because these people can easily recognize the subtle “safe and effective” tone and will almost unconsciously deny any kind of information with this bias.

  7. Yes, It’s not a pandemic by any stretch of the facts.

  8. So many things make perfect sense in 2021, it’s scary. Ask me, I will also tell you that eh…uh…., …………. C’mon man, it makes prefct sense

  9. This article clearly articulates why at risk groups need to take precautions but full society lockdowns were never warranted.

  10. This is the dumbest article ever. Zero logic!

    “The fact that more vaccinated people are dying than unvaccinated people does nothing to undermine vaccine safety or effectiveness.”

    Are you joking? The single fact that more vaccinated people are dying is an indication that either you don’t need them or that they are harmful!

  11. The problem with this article is the anti-vaxers will only use the title and go on repeating it to justify their twisted beliefs

  12. Hysterical..

  13. Worldwide, Covid has killed 4 million people.
    Meanwhile in 2020 alone.
    15 million died from heart disease.
    10 million from cancer.
    6 million from obesity and smoking.

  14. What a load of rubbish!

  15. Kevin Gatley | July 16, 2021 at 8:28 am | Reply

    I get the authors point (as rambling as it was–took a very convoluted route to get there) and there may be validity except they didn’t note what ages those Covid deaths (for both vaccinated and unvaccinated) occurred in. So yes the broad point is generally true that you would still expect a vaccinated older person to die before an unvaccinated younger person, however we don’t know if that applies to this example because we weren’t told the ages of those who died.

  16. Cue in the people that still believe only CNN, MSNBC and Lord Fauci are able to vomit facts down their baby bird throats.

    The emergency dispersed and non fda approved vaccine is poison. You’re all brainwashed guinea pigs that can’t accept facts and just call it fake news, it’s incredibly sad.

  17. Are you aware that anti-vaxers will just read the title, and not the rest of the article? This is how misinformation starts.

    • Judging from the comments, which I assume you also did not read. I would say that you are misinformed about who is misinformed.

  18. Wouldn’t smaller ball bearings also have less force due both to less mass and also a lower terminal velocity? Horrible analogy, it comes across as trying to distract people from the data while adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. But as for what the actual data is, I certainly can’t figure it out from this article, no information on vaccination rates or mortality rates or hospitalization rates or infection rates, no discussion of the primary mechanisms through which Covid leads to mortality and how these are impacted by age, etc. It’s just a fluff piece.

    If this is what passes for mathematical biology in Bath, I thank God I didn’t go to university there.

  19. Huh? That article made no sense. I’d say that author was trying to spin the truth and literally SPUN-OUT!!!

  20. David Johnson | July 16, 2021 at 10:06 am | Reply

    WTF! It’s a simple as this vaccines they claim to have a 70 to 90% Effectiveness rate was simply statistical mumbo jumbo. I can come up with Statistics that prove that people whose favorite color is blue are more likely to be stabbed when the moon is full than people whose favorite color is yellow there’s a difference between causality! Coincidence! And correlation you can correlate all kinds of sh*t that has no direct causal effect and the fact of the matter is this clearly indicates the vaccine does not prevent you from getting the infected! When people originally started to develop covid-19 more than once there was either one of two reasons your body’s natural immunity which is better than any artificially generated immunity was not effective enough to prevent you from getting it again or he’s already mutated into a more contagious strain either way the vaccines were not going to prevent people from getting infected so then the next lobar was over at least you won’t get as sick or you won’t die! You twisted yourself into so many statistical not it’s unbearable the bottom line is this people are dying who were vaccinated which means the vaccine was not effective! At preventing sickness! At preventing hospitalization! Or preventing death! The idea that vaccines were a Panacea was insane the common cold is a covid virus we’ve never had an effective vaccine for because it mutates so rapidly this was not going to work it’s giving people a false sense of protection which means this sh*t will spread now and mutate now even more! How many different ways can you try to sound rational and deflect from the underlying fact that once again people who were vaccinated died so the vaccine didn’t protect them! Only thing more ridiculous is to be told these vaccines are 100% safe when they were rushed through at warp speed with no long-term studies to see the perhaps detrimental side effects I’m not saying there are any I’m just saying besides the hard problems we’ve already noticed with the Pfizer vaccine or the blood clots with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine oh, there’s no way to determine if you haven’t actually done the test so you now sir plant the idiot doctor who claimed that there were no long-term risk of taking these vaccines without any studies being done what a load of bulsh*t!

  21. Terrible and misleading title for the article. The article itself is full of illogical and confusing paragraphs.

  22. A chart would better explain that absolute numbers are still much lower than without vaccines. Show infections and deaths by the two age groups before and after vaccines. Yes, 70 yo deaths still exceed the unvaccinated 35 yo, but deaths are dramatically lower. People really struggle with basic math – esp if abstract and not charted out.

    • I agree that the explanation should be as simple as you propose – in fact, it was my first thought when I heard about the claim that vaccinated are dying at 6x the rate of unvaccinated.

      However, all the debunking I’ve read of this “myth” are hopelessly convoluted – which makes me wonder if they are trying to hide something in the obfuscation.

      How hard is it to say, “Older people, whether vaccinated or not, are more likely to die than younger people. The mortality of vaccinated older people is XX% lower than for unvaccinated people of the same age.”

      But, what these debunking articles are saying is something along the lines of, “Vaccinated older people are more likely to die that younger unvaccinated people. Now I am going to provide you with some convoluted argument in the hopes you think you are too stupid to understand the argument.”

  23. Because there not dying of covid 19, they are dying of the actual covid vaccine. Wake up! My aunty died of blood clots to the brain! And they passed it as her own HEALTH not the vaccine yet she was hospitalised off the first jab, and then off the second jab she was found 4 days later on the day of my daughters birthday deceased in of her home. DONT GET THE JAB!

  24. If this article was actually telling the full truth (and it is not), then can someone please tell me how the new cases are skyrocketing in spite of so many vaccinated people. The vaccine is clearly not working as intended, but instead of encouraging people to ask why, this article tries to deflect the issue as if there is nothing wrong. There are nearly as many daily new cases in England now as when it was at its peak, even though the majority of the population have at least one shot and with about half the population being fully vaccinated.

  25. Melvin Schultz | July 16, 2021 at 12:53 pm | Reply

    I bet if just like AIDS/HIV hoax, if we cut off ALL funding…COVID will heal itself… Lets test it.

  26. Why the heck is this guy talking about raining ball bearings? What kind of a comparison is that? He creates more confusion than necessary. You’re job is to make it easier to understand, not harder!

  27. just_reality | July 16, 2021 at 1:26 pm | Reply

    This is what click bait, Facebook-like science articles look like. A title to capture interest and then a murky article to stir up controversy. Simple summary is that un-vaccinated people have a higher PERCENTAGE risk of infection, hospitalization and death than vaccinated people. End of story.

  28. More vaccinated people are dying than unvaccinated people.
    -Vaccines work as supposed to work.

    what is this work than ? depopulation ?
    XD u want to speed up killing off people to save planet from CO2 ?

    that is fine, just stop fooling people.

  29. Tyrone Shoelaces | July 16, 2021 at 1:49 pm | Reply

    Not a good article. It sounds like there is proof that if you are lucky, you will die when you are old. Duh? Or, possibly I should strain my ball bearings before injecting them. Not sure. The analysis should be more clear. Something like how risks are compounded or risk by age vaccinated vs unvaccinated. The summary headline is confusing.

  30. Just reading the headline is all that is needed. The rest is drivel.

  31. Deborah Hughes | July 17, 2021 at 7:12 am | Reply

    No one is saying nothing about the older people having health problems already!! And that this so called vaccine is lowering their immune systems more than what it is and that’s why they are dieing.Just like the vaccine for the flu,your actually getting the flu which was supposed to build up your system to fight off the flu. I took that vaccine once and that winter I was so sick.Never again.All of this is false information 😡

  32. Fletch told us that Its all about ball bearings

  33. gregg prescott | July 17, 2021 at 3:36 pm | Reply

    MAKE EARTH FLORIDA

  34. Hello? The author’s argument falls apart if the age groups are the same.

    “The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine.”

    There was no statement about the ages at death. If the 163 vaccinated deaths were the same age as those that were unvaccinated, the “35 yr old vs 70 yr old” argument is rubbish.

  35. Fluff piece.

  36. People wake up. People on here are trying to save your life. More Peoole are dying from the so-called vaccine. They are killing you. Covid is a bioweapon.

  37. John Calvin Jones | July 19, 2021 at 5:46 pm | Reply

    The info from PHE and professor Yates is clear. Please, please get your mRNA shots – take two or three – as soon as possible. Then the rest of us can live well, knowing that the moronic lemmings have “left the building.”

  38. The covid shots have the highest kill ratio of any “life saving” shot ever created by the medical mafia. All the statistical mumbo jumbo we see is to alleviate fears and is part of the propaganda we’re supposed to believe. There are safe and highly effective treatments for people who are sick with flu-like symptoms. Also the scam relies on the PCR test which is highly biased to produce positive results. It is hard to understand why the authorities would rely on this test unless you realize it is a critical part of the fear campaign to drive people to submit to the heinous covid shots.

  39. I agree that if 100% of population are vaccinated then all Covid deaths will be vaccinated people and if 0% of the population are unvaccinated then all Covid deaths will be amongst the unvaccinated. Your conclusions beyond that make no sense. 2/3 of the deaths are in vaccinated people which does line up to 2/3 of population being vaccinated. This does not even account for the fact vaccination rates have increased each month. You need to break it down per month and see how it lines up per month. Like when vaccination rates were 20% of population were 20% of deaths in vaccinated people? How does it compare month to month? Because if about 2/3 of deaths are vaccinated and 2/3 of people are vaccinated and 1/3 of deaths are unvaccinated and 1/3 of people are unvaccinated then it seems pretty clear there is absolutely no difference in risk factor of death between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

  40. The number of people regretting the jab is rising daily ! I can’t wait for people to go on trial and never see the light of day !

  41. wrong comparison. should compare the high risk group, 50 year olds and over. what is the death rate difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated 50+?

  42. Whatisgoingonhere | July 24, 2021 at 9:40 am | Reply

    How easy it will be for some people to get the “mark of the beast” aka…that world leader who will come, not may, will come someday and force all to receive a mark on either the forehead or right hand. To wit, “And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.” Revelations book of 13.

    If you can’t resist this sham of a vaccine, you sure as hell, no pun intended, won’t see what’s coming.

  43. Tell me how imagining everyone being vaccinated equals 60% people truly vaccinated? Don’t play with numbers and analogies that don’t work. There should not be more people dying from covid that have been “vaccinated” until we get in the 90% mark or so. Come on man. Be a critical thinker and realize the “vaccine” is no more than a therapeutic that only works for some. The way to deal with this virus is to collect antibodies from everyone who has had covid, (which they are doing already) and share them with everyone! We could be done with this virus so easier and not much cost….. but there is no real power or money in that.

  44. Nice try but this makes no logical sense. The vaccine was rightfully offered to the most at-risk first but they’re still dying at a higher rate than younger unvaccinated people and that is expected? Does the vaccine protect them or not?? Your analogy leads the belief that it really makes no difference because they’re at higher risk of dying anyway.

  45. more horse sh*t propaganda. this “vaccine” was not necessary for a commensal illness with a 99% survival rate.
    This shot is poison. It has ZERO actual genetic material from said virus. So if we are calling it a vaccine how on earth is my body gonna ever know what to recognize? Viruses vary every season (antigenic drift) it’s one of their evolutionary survival mechanisms. So even if i got past the synthetic mRNA inside a lipid-nanoparticle with a side of graphene oxide, the code transcribed in the mRNA was only good for that seasons strain (just like every other flu shot). But now….people have fake genetic instructions inside their cells, microscopic robots, are overproducing M spike protein (which is lab proven to attack multiple organ system tissues) and poisonous graphene oxide that reacts to electromagnetic waves like oh idk…..5g?

  46. Thanks you for telling me why I should ignore the obvious answer that the vaxx is a failure or worse. I was looking for a way to deny my own common sense observations to be dismissed by an expert. Thanks for the word salad, it was as clear as a bowl of mud.
    Your word origami to stamp out safety concerns was epically bad.
    Here is a thought experiment. Imagine I watch the news and they report rain, so I grab an umbrella. As I walk down the street I feel drops fall from above. Ive heard the news so I assume its the predicted rain.
    I take a few more steps and notice the water drops have stopped. I look up to find no clouds, only an arse hole holding his junk from the side of a roof top.

    You are that arse hole, dont piss on me an tell me it is raining.

  47. Dear Scitechdaily publishers: what you should do is to take all these comments and make asummar article from them!
    Your ratings will be catapulted!

  48. Thankyou for providing this. Been arguing with antivaxxers who until now were going on about it mostly killing the elderly, but now ignore age to make it a two variable equation instead of three. It’s hard getting that point through to them though, as this comments section proves.

    • Really? You’re gonna argue with me that I should get a vaccine that kills people more than it saves them from a so called virus? ‘Cause I will shut that argument down real quick bud.

  49. Crunch the numbers comparing fully vaxed (2 shots) to unvaxxed. Here’s the death ratio:
    Vaxxed 10.84 for every unvaxxed death.
    Ballbearings ain’t saving that stat.

  50. Thank you for what? The article doesn’t help your argument either dilly but it does strongly suggest that the vaccine doesn’t work for those who need it.

  51. Thus is the ancient aliens of articles.
    So imagine..
    What if..
    Just imagine…
    Santa Barbara city college data suggests that 96% of people theorize that…
    Just pretend…..
    Just don’t use logic, listen to US because you could never understand numbers especially if we present them while eliminating the mention of proven risk factors…(let’s start with a simple one: age)

    This whole article is a distraction for submissive morons so they can convince themselves that they are too stupid to understand simple numbers
    What a JOKE!

  52. What Ive been wondering since Day 1…
    If 80% of people who are infected, don’t know they had it, and the “Vaccines” are 96%, is that 96% of the remaining 20% or is it taking credit for peoples natural immunity?

  53. That theory is so stupid and totally devoid of any intelligent thought it leaves me numb. Apparently no one has immune systems anymore. A virus with a 99.97 survivability rate needs a vaccine ??? Since when? Completely idiotic argument. Stop embarrassing yourself.

  54. I’ve seen the exact same article in 2 other posts now ….written the exact same way …🤔

  55. Why does God have an appointed time of death?
    In addition to us being appointed to die, God also has appointed that many of us will die in specific ways for specific reasons as He did with the Apostles, “For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men” (1 Corinthians 4:9).

    Just enjoy life like its your last day!

  56. Itstimewewakeup | August 20, 2021 at 11:19 pm | Reply

    My question is, Is there an actual test that shows these ppl have the delta variant or just COVID. Also funny how every other illness like tuberculosis, bronchitis, emphysema,all kinds of cancers, and other health conditions that kill ppl yearly have just went on vacation for the past 18months. Someone dying in a car accident for a minute there were COVID related deaths. This is the George Orwell “1984” 2+2=5 mentality. It’s not true but if everyone believes it what difference does it make. People are willing and sometimes eager to give up their essential freedom for temporary safety. Facebook is on a censorship kick as well. Censorship is called protecting the truth! (False Truths= Fact Checkers) they think we are all just stupid in the day and age of the internet. We cant look up information for ourselves. We need the fricking “Thought Police” to tell us what to listen to.

    • you posted, “Censorship is called protecting the truth! (False Truths= Fact Checkers) they think we are all just stupid in the day and age of the internet. We cant look up information for ourselves.
      Tell me, where did you look up the data showing “tuberculosis, bronchitis, emphysema, all kinds of cancers, and other health conditions” have taken vacation and stop killing people? Your argument is stupid.

  57. If you cannot explain it clearly you don’t understand it. Been using that rule for 50 years and it has never let me down yet. Cannot wait to see how this clown goes with the blood clot problem that will raise it’s ugly head down the track.

  58. just an addendum of relativeness…a article in the paper condemns the horse or cow medicine that seems to be a popular reference to a covid combatant these days…saying that many people are dying and getting seriously ill by taking it…in the body of the article it reveals the reason….too high of a dosage for human consumption…NEVER SAID THAT IT DOES NOT WORK OF HAS ANY POSITIVE AFFECTS…and also it is being researched for a covid application…..but, the headlines reflects the entire scope of the reporting of this covid narrative…covid is real but something is fishy with the worlds handling of it….

  59. “Here’s a simple thought experiment: […]” Giving the percentage of infected (or dead) people in a population sample without giving the percentage or vaccinated people within this sample gives no info. If 50% of the population is vaccinated and if 50% of the infected (or dead) people are vaccinated, it means that (for this population sample) vaccin is not an advantage. If only 40% or infected (or dead) people are vaccinated, it means that vaccin becomes to be effective. If it is 60%, vaccin should be avoided. (See Bayes formula). Then the complete picture is mandatory, including the rate of un-vaccinated people recovered from covid as they can be considered as vaccinated.

    • Not exactly.
      Problem is, that those group of unvaccinated weren’t vaccinated from some reason – it could mainly be caused by health issues. There are many of people that already were in hospital (due to serious condition caused by other issues) and they could be infected by … vaccinated staff. While the ‘vaccinated’ were those, who were in good conditions and.. besides being fully vaccinated, were hospitalized because of covid infection. So effect of comparison of these two groups – even if compare per eg 100 people – isn’t good for vaccines. But we couldn’t check those information, as they are not provided to us, but we have only these informations, that shows vaccination in good light.
      The other aspect is that in vaccinated group there are many people recovered. So the global effectiveness of vaccine is factitiously increased, due to the fact, that the recovered people have much more better immunity, that those vaccinated without previous history of illness.

      Statistic provided by the ‘EBM’ are only for obfuscating facts and for selling the product, not for the public knowledge.

  60. Christel Picciano | September 8, 2021 at 9:32 am | Reply

    Tetanus vaccine, almost 100% effective and boosters needed at 10 years not at 4 months. But do tell us how effective these covid “vaccines” are.

  61. slow jo bojo johnson | September 10, 2021 at 1:52 am | Reply

    The heading’s about right.the rest’s a croc of bidens & johnsons bowel content’s…

  62. DownWithTheKabal | September 11, 2021 at 6:11 pm | Reply

    Huh, if you share too much info your comment WON’T be posted. “Shocking.”

  63. Baaaaad math skillz 🐑🐑🐑🐑

  64. Satanic reporting

  65. This is the biggest crock of sh**. Older people die and so getting the vax and dying afterwards Is just coincidental is bull.

  66. More vaccinated people are dying than unvaccinated. Exactly as expected, vaccines doing a fantastic job…..

  67. “The fact that more vaccinated people are dying than unvaccinated people does nothing to undermine vaccine safety or effectiveness.” I have never read a more hypocritical statement in my entire life. It is estimated that a range of 5-40% of the world population was killed by the bubonic plague. How has it affected our population? A whopping .0025%!!! The world population during the bubonic plague went from around 475 mil to 350 mil, but during covid the population went up from 7.7 billion to 7.9? People need to get educated and do their own research rather than just believing everything they’re told. Out of an average of 60 million deaths per year only 3.4 million of those were covid deaths, and i would bet money that most of those are false statistics. This entire article is hysterical.

  68. The fact that the mask was poorly photoshopped onto the girl’s face XD

  69. The object as I understood it for precautions was to keep the health system from being overwhelmed, and after alarming spread and increased measures the waves subside.
    The vaccine was to slow the spread and help those with poor immunity have a chance. Dying isnt the only consequence of getting covid and may actually be a blessing given some of the other outcomes. This article is being spread all over particularly by anti vaccine groups who usually only post the headline. The analogy is for the birds though and a tedious read. I wont be looking to PHE for clarification on anything in the future. I didnt see mentioned the ratio for one or two doses.

  70. I went to the cited source but there were a lot of studies. Which on is the author referring to? For my own research. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

  71. The Vaccinated people are not getting Covid, they are suffering with VACCINE INJURY. I had both shots six months ago, and I have been ill for six months. There are thousands of us who have been Vaccine Injured. Check out these weblinks and be alarmed. None of us are lying. We are not trolling. But we have been injured by the vax. I am in process of filing reports of my injury with Pfizer.

    You will have to do a Copy & Paste with the links below.

    https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/

    https://www.realnotrare.com/

    https://trialsitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Vaccine-safety-FAQ-7.pdf

    https://www.react19.org/

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